tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14548193.post4462581814989219636..comments2023-12-05T20:56:10.496+08:00Comments on Wayne's Dhamma Blog 水月佛法博客: Year of the Pig 2007Wayne Woohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13015240115654365801noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14548193.post-5375705623237156552009-08-12T10:24:43.770+08:002009-08-12T10:24:43.770+08:00http://www.shabkar.org/download/pdf/Buddhism&V...http://www.shabkar.org/download/pdf/Buddhism&Vegetarianism.pdfFalconhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14620902483660390780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14548193.post-73789998413967425292009-08-10T16:27:25.210+08:002009-08-10T16:27:25.210+08:00Indeed that is so according to Mahayana belief. Bu...Indeed that is so according to Mahayana belief. But that passage in the Surangama Sutra is not found in the Pali Canon and Vinaya. So it does not apply to the Theravada tradition.Wayne Woohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13015240115654365801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14548193.post-77363495149541244422009-08-10T14:06:24.020+08:002009-08-10T14:06:24.020+08:00Dear Wayne, please read the below. From my underst...Dear Wayne, please read the below. From my understanding from below, pure meat consumption only applies when Buddha was alive isn't it?<br /><br />From Shurangama Sutra:<br /><br />Sutra:<br />“Ananda, I permit the Bhikshus to eat five kinds of pure<br />meat. This meat is actually a transformation brought into being<br />by my spiritual powers. It basically has no life-force. You<br />Brahmans live in a climate so hot and humid, and on such<br />sandy and rocky land, that vegetables will not grow; therefore,<br />I have had to assist you with spiritual powers and compassion.<br />Because of the magnitude of this kindness and compassion,<br />what you eat that tastes like meat is merely said to be meat; in<br />fact, however, it is not. After my extinction, how can those who<br />eat the flesh of living beings be called the disciples of Shakya?<br />Commentary:<br />“Ananda, I permit the Bhikshus to eat five kinds of pure<br />meat.” The Buddha’s teaching allows these five kinds:<br />1) Flesh of an animal that I did not see killed.<br />2) Flesh of an animal that I did not hear killed.<br />3) Flesh of an animal that I am sure was not killed for my<br />sake.<br />4) Flesh of an animal that died by itself.<br />24 Volume One – The Three Non-Outflow Studies<br />5) Flesh that is the leavings of an animal after birds have<br />scavenged.<br />“This meat is actually a transformation brought into being by<br />my spiritual powers. It basically has no life-force.” The Buddha<br />created these kinds of flesh; they are not from living creatures.<br />They have no life-force; that is, no consciousness, no temperature,<br />and no breath. “You Brahmans live in a climate so hot and<br />humid, and on such sandy and rocky land, that vegetables will<br />not grow. You who practice pure conduct live in a land full of sand<br />and dampness. Therefore, I have had to assist you with spiritual<br />powers and compassion. Because of the magnitude of this<br />kindness and compassion, what you eat that tastes like meat is<br />merely said to be meat; in fact, however, it is not. That’s what<br />you are really eating. I allow you to eat this kind of meat at present.<br />But, after my extinction, how can those who eat the flesh of<br />living beings be called the disciples of Shakya?” They are not<br />eating the five kinds of pure meat; they are just eating the flesh of<br />living beings outright. Are they to be known as disciples of the<br />Buddha? They cannot be referred to as disciples of Shakya, that is,people who left the home life.<br /><br />http://www.shabkar.org/download/pdf/Shurangama_Sutra_Vol_6_Master-Hsuan_Hua-Commentary_Vegetarian_No-Killing.pdf<br /><br />Refer page 47/232,48/232<br /><br />Thanks.Falconhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14620902483660390780noreply@blogger.com